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Posted by Clive.Law@dfait-maeci.gc.ca on Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:47:43 -0500
I brought up this subject several years ago and almost got severely flamed
for my negative attitude. Nonetheless, I am a slow learner and once flamed
is not necessarily twice shy.
According to a CanFor Gen that I read yesterday Military Police in Canada
will now be issued a black work uniform, similar in appearance to civilian
police forces whoops, politically incorrect terminology, police
servicesacross North America, and available off the shelf. The MPs now
drive in cars that are, graphically, identical to municipal police forces
nation-wide i.e. white, coloured stripes, etc.. They wear a breast shield
and now carry their pistols in a choice of high-ride or low-ride holsters.
Although I don‘t have the numbers, it seems to me that while every other
branch is suffering manpower shortages, the Security Branch keeps growing.
It seems to me that the MILITARY purpose for police is being overlooked and
in its place we are getting a police force that is concentrating on the
Civilian issues.
By MILITARY I mean the handling of traffic and the escorting of prisoners
POW and miscreants, discipline of friendly troops and guarding the not so
friendly. Yeah, I know that we don‘t have a war handy but we do have a lot
of situations where our guys are in harm‘s way and are in a war in every
sense but name. Instead we have a large force of police doing building
security high priced building-pass checkers at NDHQ and handling ‘routine‘
civilian services on bases, i.e. speeding, domestic disturbance, drunkeness,
street patrols etc...
Now before everybody goes ballistic! I don‘t deny that these are essential
services. Some bases are larger than many towns in Canada. But shouldn‘t we
be contracting this out to provincial police agencies SQ, OPP, RCMP rather
than fund the entire infrastructure to duplicate the services within the CF?
One of the drawbacks to providing this expensive training and these
resources to make our MPs into clones of the civvy police is that after 6-10
years many of the MPs quit and join the higher paying civilian forces. This
puts the CF back into the vicious circle of hirng and training more MPs. We
have the same problem with the MPs that the CF are having with pilots,
doctors, dentists and lawyers.
Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nguyen [mailto
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Sent: March 1, 2000 11:15 PM
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Subject: Law and Security diploma for an MP??
Since when do we have that requirement? And how do you translate that in
Quebec terms, since our education system is different from the rest of
Canada. Thank you.
>From: "william durrant"
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>Try calling 1 800 856 8488 ..that ia a national toll free it will
>connect
>you with the nearest full timerecruiting office to your home.....if this
>doesn‘t work...contact me personally at
>gunner10@sprint.ca and i will sort it out..as for being an M.P. you require
>a 2 year law security diploma from college this is a relatively new
>requirement. good luck!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dwight Morrow VE7BV/Rev.Isabel Healy Morrow
>
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Re:
>
>
> > Hi!
> > Try phoning the 1-800 number for recruiting in Edmonton and they should
>be
> > able to help you.
> > You should be able to get it from the 1-800 information service by
>dialing
> > 1-800-555-1212.
> > Hopefully you can get on as an MP there is apptitude testing you will
>do
>as
> > part of the enrollment process. It sounds to me like your previous
>career
> > experience will be helpful. Typing speed is useful but the most
>important
> > thing is being able to keep your head in a crisis, think clearing, and
>have
> > excellent interpersonal skills.
> > Good luck!
> > Isabel Healy Morrow
> > former jr naval officer
> >
> > At 11:48 AM 2/29/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> > >I really have no idea what anyone is talking about as I am just a
>civilian.
> > >My only problem is trying to get into the army. I have gone to the
> > >recruiting spot where I live in Yellowknife but the recruiters are
>always
> > >out of town or training. Is there any other way to enlist without the
>aid
> > >of a recruiter in your area? Any info would be greatly received. I
>also
> > >would like to know what you would think would best suit me in the army.
>I
> > >have been a correction‘s officer for 4 years, am 23 and can type over
>45
> > >words per minute. My ideal job would be an MP but heck I would be
>happy
> > >with anything.
> > >--------------------------------------------------------
> > >NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
> > >to majordomo@cipherlogic.on.ca from the account you wish
> > >to remove, with the line "unsubscribe army" in the
> > >message body.
> > >
> > >
> > ====================================================================
> > Dwight Morrow, BSc Pharm, VE7BV
> > Rev. Isabel Healy Morrow, BSW, M.Div.
> > Box l21, Merritt, BC, Canada V1K 1B8
> > Shulus Cattle Company 2 Settlers Road-Cottonwood muix Drive, Hwy
>8
> > phone: 250378-9294 work 378-9238 fax 378-4448
> > 604856-7352 Langley
> > email :
> >
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> >
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I brought up this subject several years ago and almost got severely flamed
for my negative attitude. Nonetheless, I am a slow learner and once flamed
is not necessarily twice shy.
According to a CanFor Gen that I read yesterday Military Police in Canada
will now be issued a black work uniform, similar in appearance to civilian
police forces whoops, politically incorrect terminology, police
servicesacross North America, and available off the shelf. The MPs now
drive in cars that are, graphically, identical to municipal police forces
nation-wide i.e. white, coloured stripes, etc.. They wear a breast shield
and now carry their pistols in a choice of high-ride or low-ride holsters.
Although I don‘t have the numbers, it seems to me that while every other
branch is suffering manpower shortages, the Security Branch keeps growing.
It seems to me that the MILITARY purpose for police is being overlooked and
in its place we are getting a police force that is concentrating on the
Civilian issues.
By MILITARY I mean the handling of traffic and the escorting of prisoners
POW and miscreants, discipline of friendly troops and guarding the not so
friendly. Yeah, I know that we don‘t have a war handy but we do have a lot
of situations where our guys are in harm‘s way and are in a war in every
sense but name. Instead we have a large force of police doing building
security high priced building-pass checkers at NDHQ and handling ‘routine‘
civilian services on bases, i.e. speeding, domestic disturbance, drunkeness,
street patrols etc...
Now before everybody goes ballistic! I don‘t deny that these are essential
services. Some bases are larger than many towns in Canada. But shouldn‘t we
be contracting this out to provincial police agencies SQ, OPP, RCMP rather
than fund the entire infrastructure to duplicate the services within the CF?
One of the drawbacks to providing this expensive training and these
resources to make our MPs into clones of the civvy police is that after 6-10
years many of the MPs quit and join the higher paying civilian forces. This
puts the CF back into the vicious circle of hirng and training more MPs. We
have the same problem with the MPs that the CF are having with pilots,
doctors, dentists and lawyers.
Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nguyen [mailto
etern82@HOTMAIL.COM]Sent: March 1, 2000 11:15 PM
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Subject: Law and Security diploma for an MP??
Since when do we have that requirement? And how do you translate that in
Quebec terms, since our education system is different from the rest of
Canada. Thank you.
>From: "william durrant"
>Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>To:
>Subject: Recruiting problem
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:40:16 -0500
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>Try calling 1 800 856 8488 ..that ia a national toll free it will
>connect
>you with the nearest full timerecruiting office to your home.....if this
>doesn‘t work...contact me personally at
>gunner10@sprint.ca and i will sort it out..as for being an M.P. you require
>a 2 year law security diploma from college this is a relatively new
>requirement. good luck!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dwight Morrow VE7BV/Rev.Isabel Healy Morrow
>
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Re:
>
>
> > Hi!
> > Try phoning the 1-800 number for recruiting in Edmonton and they should
>be
> > able to help you.
> > You should be able to get it from the 1-800 information service by
>dialing
> > 1-800-555-1212.
> > Hopefully you can get on as an MP there is apptitude testing you will
>do
>as
> > part of the enrollment process. It sounds to me like your previous
>career
> > experience will be helpful. Typing speed is useful but the most
>important
> > thing is being able to keep your head in a crisis, think clearing, and
>have
> > excellent interpersonal skills.
> > Good luck!
> > Isabel Healy Morrow
> > former jr naval officer
> >
> > At 11:48 AM 2/29/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> > >I really have no idea what anyone is talking about as I am just a
>civilian.
> > >My only problem is trying to get into the army. I have gone to the
> > >recruiting spot where I live in Yellowknife but the recruiters are
>always
> > >out of town or training. Is there any other way to enlist without the
>aid
> > >of a recruiter in your area? Any info would be greatly received. I
>also
> > >would like to know what you would think would best suit me in the army.
>I
> > >have been a correction‘s officer for 4 years, am 23 and can type over
>45
> > >words per minute. My ideal job would be an MP but heck I would be
>happy
> > >with anything.
> > >--------------------------------------------------------
> > >NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
> > >to majordomo@cipherlogic.on.ca from the account you wish
> > >to remove, with the line "unsubscribe army" in the
> > >message body.
> > >
> > >
> > ====================================================================
> > Dwight Morrow, BSc Pharm, VE7BV
> > Rev. Isabel Healy Morrow, BSW, M.Div.
> > Box l21, Merritt, BC, Canada V1K 1B8
> > Shulus Cattle Company 2 Settlers Road-Cottonwood muix Drive, Hwy
>8
> > phone: 250378-9294 work 378-9238 fax 378-4448
> > 604856-7352 Langley
> > email :
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
> > to majordomo@cipherlogic.on.ca from the account you wish
> > to remove, with the line "unsubscribe army" in the
> > message body.
> >
>
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