Man killed by Winnipeg police was former Canadian Forces member: sources

[Nfld Sapper]

Wonder how the MSM are going to spin this. Article Link

Man killed by Winnipeg police was former Canadian Forces member: sources

Last Updated: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 | 7:57 AM CT

CBC News

A man who was shot and killed by Winnipeg police late Monday night was a former member of the Canadian Forces, CBC News has learned.

Sources confirmed to CBC News that Roy Thomas Bell, 42, was the man who confronted police officers as they responded to a 911 call about a man threatening residents at an apartment block in Winnipeg's West Broadway neighbourhood.

Police said the officers encountered the man just before 11 p.m. Monday and saw he was armed with a bat and a gun.

Officers shot the suspect with a Taser, which proved unsuccessful in subduing him, police said.

The threat escalated and the man was shot, police said. He was taken to hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.

Investigators haven't released the man's name, but sources confirm it was Roy Bell.

The officers involved were not injured and have been placed on administrative leave.

The police homicide unit has taken over the investigation.  A provincial inquest will also be carried out, as required by Manitoba law.

 

[medaid]

Oh man... *groan* who cares if he was in the CF? HONESTLY... please... why don't I see people going after butchers who kill people? Or drunk drivers that are teachers... MSM takes things WAY out of proportion sometimes.

 

[PMedMoe]

Wonder how long it will be before the claim of "It was PTSD." kicks in?  :

 

[George Wallace]

A rather vague form of reporting the news.  Was he in the Infantry or some other Cbt Arms for period of ten or more years?  Did he do a Tour?  Was he only on BMQ for a few weeks and then quite because it was too hard?  Was he in the Cadets?  What was it CBC?

 

[ModlrMike]

Nice to see the salient facts reported on for a change.  :rage:

 

[Sigs Pig]

Wonder how long it will be before the claim of "It was PTSD." kicks in?  :

CBC Radio just mentioned it here in Wpg.

 

[ModlrMike]

Here's the same story as reported by CTV:

Article Link

 

[Blakey]

Update on CBC Site

Last Updated: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 | 7:57 AM CT

Bell was actively seeking help to deal with depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, sources said.

Post-traumatic stress disorder, an anxiety disorder in which people feel intense, prolonged feelings of fright and distress for no clear reason, is caused by a traumatic event involving threatened death or serious injury to oneself.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2007/12/19/police-shooting.html

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Was waiting to see how long it would take for that to show up  :

 

[Kat Stevens]

Why wouldn't it?  It says he was actively seeking help, not flying off the handle and using PTSD as an excuse after the fact.  It is a relevant piece of info in this case.  Not every mention of PTSD in the media is a kick in the nuts to fire pissing bullet proof hard chargers such as yourself.

 

[George Wallace]

And is PDST solely brought on by Service in the CF or military, or can it be a result of some other trauma not at all military related?  This article really doesn't make any connection between the two, and is conspicuous in the absence of any other reference to the CF other than he was a 'former member of' (What Unit/Organization?). 

CTV did a more comprehensive piece, and made no mention at all about the CF.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Why wouldn't it?  It says he was actively seeking help, not flying off the handle and using PTSD as an excuse after the fact.  It is a relevant piece of info in this case.  Not every mention of PTSD in the media is a kick in the nuts to fire pissing bullet proof hard chargers such as yourself.

I know that satan claws but was merly stating that I was waiting for the media to throw that into the piece. As George Wallace said CTV makes no mention of this. Could it be CBC is "fabricating" that info?

And from CKY Winnipeg

MAN KILLED IN POLICE SHOOTING

Winnipeg police say an officer was forced to shoot and kill a man after a Taser that was initially deployed to subdue him failed to work properly. Officers went to an apartment on Langside Street around midnight Monday night to answer a call about a man who was allegedly threatening an acquaintance. Police say the officers were confronted by an armed man behind the block, and the Taser that one of the officers drew did not work they way it's supposed to. It's not clear whether the same officer who fired the stun gun also fired the service pistol, or whether both officers were involved.

 

[armyvern]

Was waiting to see how long it would take for that to show up  :

Well,

He's dead now. So he was seeking that help before this incident. No defense lawyers using it here to get him unrightfully "off" the charge.

So what ... it's a FACT of the story. The guy WAS seeking help for PTSD when the incident occured ... what is the problem with the MSM reporting that fact?

You people kill me here. Every time they mention CF member you guys freak out about "why do they need to bring up the CF". Why? Because it's a fact in the history of the individual. Mentioning that fact is absolutely no different than mentioning the fact that:

Two "students" from Columbine,
A "Postal worker" from Boston,
Two "Ex-marines" from Wilseyville,
A "part-time clown" from Chicago,
An "unemployed" man from Toronto,
A "Brewery worker" from Milwaukee,
A "Politician from Regina",

all killed people.
etc etc .... I'm sure you get the point.

So, the MSM is only supposed to NOT report on the history or occupations of these people if they aren't/weren't CF?? They do this ALL the time -- it's not like they're singling out the CF for favoured treatment.

 

[George Wallace]

SO?  What did the CF have to do with the story?  Other than "eye candy" to attract you to the story, where did it fit in?

 

[Blackadder1916]

...CTV makes no mention of this. Could it be CBC is "fabricating" that info?

In comparing the two stories: the CBC provides other additional info that is not in the CTV piece; name and age, possible CF service, "according to sources (?)".  The CTV piece seems to only mention info provided by the police.  One analysis; CTV spoke to the police PIO and filed, CBC spoke to neighbours.

 

[armyvern]

SO?  What did the CF have to do with the story?  Other than "eye candy" to attract you to the story, where did it fit in?

So what did the fact that Colin Thatcher was a politician have to do with the story?

Why is it only offensive to mention the criminals backgrounds if they happen to have been CF?

I don't see everyone here jumping over news stories posted up here about murders/rapists/child molestors etc that happen to mention the criminals background or past jobs.

Read a couple of the active threads going on right now --- no one in those threads complaining about the mention of buddies job or background being mentioned in the story ... and his background or previous jobs have nothing to do with the crimes he committed either.

I just think it's hilarious how the MSM gets jumped on here -- only when they do this regarding a CF member, but no one says a peep when they do it about anyone else. It's ironic, that's all.

I rather think that out there in cyber-space somewhere is a "postal workers" forum ... that goes to hell in a handbasket every couple of months too when someone else goes 'postal' and the media reports the fact that it was a  .... postal worker.

 

[George Wallace]

So what did the fact that Colin Thatcher was a politician have to do with the story?

Apples and Oranges.  Colin Thatcher was a well know Public Figure.  Roy Thomas Bell was a nobody by comparison. 

Why is it only offensive to mention the criminals backgrounds if they happen to have been CF?

It isn't if the facts are backed up.  What CF Organization did this guy belong to and for how long.  Being a Cadet is a far cry from being a Cbt veteran.  A Recruit School Washout is a far cry from a Member Released after a long career.  What did this article state other than he was a former member of the CF?  So?  Was he a former of Cdn Tire also?

I don't see everyone here jumping over news stories posted up here about murders/rapists/child molestors etc that happen to mention the criminals background or past jobs.

Read a couple of the active threads going on right now --- no one in those threads complaining about the mention of buddies job or background being mentioned in the story ... and his background or previous jobs have nothing to do with the crimes he committed either.

Usually there is a little more detail in their backgrounds than "was a former member of such and such organization".

I just think it's hilarious how the MSM gets jumped on here -- only when they do this regarding a CF member, but no one says a peep when they do it about anyone else. It's ironic, that's all.

;D  At the same time......it is hilarious how the MSM jumps on us when we criticize them.  Truly ironic.   ;D

 

[armyvern]

Apples and Oranges.  Colin Thatcher was a well know Public Figure.  Roy Thomas Bell was a nobody by comparison. 


It isn't if the facts are backed up.  What CF Organization did this guy belong to and for how long.  Being a Cadet is a far cry from being a Cbt veteran.  A Recruit School Washout is a far cry from a Member Released after a long career.  What did this article state other than he was a former member of the CF?  So?  Was he a former of Cdn Tire also?

Usually there is a little more detail in their backgrounds than "was a former member of such and such organization".

;D  At the same time......it is hilarious how the MSM jumps on us when we criticize them.  Truly ironic.   ;D

George,

The bit about Colin Thatcher was meant to demonstrate that mentioning of the persons background/job is NORMAL ... regardless of whether the person is CF or not. Postal workers certainly aren't well-known public figures. It's not apples/oranges -- the MSM reports these facts of backgrounds and jobs for the whole fruit cocktail; it just doesn't matter what their job or background is -- the MSM always reports it.

There will be more background, I'm quite sure ...

Note the banner: "Breaking Story...." Looks like CBC is getting their info quicker than anyone else though ... tidbits come out as they are received, also quite normal with a "breaking news" story. This is no different than any other story ... and they aren't treating it any different than they would any other story. By 1600 ... CTV will also have the PTSD tidbit up, CBC just happened to beat them to the "scoop".

 

[Blackadder1916]

More to this "breaking news" story.

Witnesses to police shooting describe 'suicide by cop'
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=180330

Bruce Owen, Winnipeg Free Press  Published: Tuesday, December 18, 2007

WINNIPEG -- A Winnipeg police officer shot and killed a man behind an apartment building late Monday night in an incident several residents were describing as "suicide-by-cop."

They said the man ignored repeated demands from two officers to drop a firearm in his hands, and at one point dared officers to shoot him.

"He was pointing his gun at them and told them to shoot him," one woman said.

More at link.

 

[Blackhorse7]

I feel terrible both for Bell and for the Officers that needed to confront him.  If he was suffering from PTSD, it is saddening that the only way out he felt he was left with was to create a lethal force confrontation.  As for the Officers, I can imagine as both a former CF member and a current Police Officer that this must be weighing heavily on them.  No Officer goes to work wanting to shoot someone, and certainly they don't want to when they know it's a person pushing for "suicide by cop".

Rest easy, Bell.