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General battles sandwiches and poor etiquette

Jarnhamar

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Telling soldiers how to have a happy marrage, banning sandwhiches and how to hold a knife and fork. I hope he doesn't give our generals any ideas, I had to eat a poutine with a pocket knife a few days ago because the wendies servants forgot my plastic fork  :o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10679306/General-battles-sandwiches-and-poor-etiquette.html

He has commanded British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now he wants to lead them through the minefield of marriage.


In a lengthy order to troops bemoaning a general slide in etiquette and conduct, Major General James Cowan says the secret to a successful marriage is “never sit next to your spouse at dinner” — unless there is no alternative.


The senior Army officer’s fire was drawn by a “curious” decision to seat husbands next to their wives at a recent Burns Night supper.


“The practice displays a marked degree of insecurity and is to stop,” he thunders in a missive which also banned sandwiches from his officers’ mess, citing “frankly barbaric” table manners.


Maj Gen James Cowan lectures his officers on subjects ranging from their writing styles to the falling standard of polite conversation.

He goes on to offer lengthy advice on the secret of a good dinner party.

“I give frequent dinner parties and it has become apparent that many Army couples don’t know that a good party relies on good conversation,” he says.

The three-page letter, reported in The Sun, was sent to a handful of officers at 3 UK Division last week, but has been widely circulated throughout the Army and Ministry of Defence.

Maj Gen Cowan acknowledges that he risks “sounding like a parent”, before launching into a list of pet hates that he complains distract him from more important matters. “I take a dim view of those who live in ignorance of these simple rules of civilised life,” he warns. “Quite a few officers in the divisional mess seem to be under the impression that they can eat their food with their hands. The practice of serving rolls and sandwiches in the mess is to stop. A gentleman or lady uses a knife and fork,” he says.

He then relays detailed instructions on how his officers should use those utensils. “Holding either like a pen is unacceptable, as are stabbing techniques,” he says.

Maj Gen Cowan, who was educated at Wellington School, says he is dismayed by a decline in courtesy. “Ten years ago as a CO, officers would stand up when the commanding officer walked into the anteroom. This doesn’t seem to happen any more,” he says.

He adds: “We recruit our officers from a broad pool. I don’t want them to be disadvantaged by innocent ignorance.”

Maj Gen Cowan reserved the majority of his order for criticism of Army writing styles, attacking an overuse of acronyms, capital letters and jargon. But he ended his order on a more conciliatory note, remarking that “the vast majority of people I meet are intelligent, friendly and good company, so this email is simply to help those who need a little nudge.”

Maj Gen Cowan, who is married with three children, was last night in Canada on Army business and was unavailable for comment. The Army has made efforts to widen its intake of officers and Army sources were keen to stress the note was not to be taken too seriously.

An Army spokesman said: “This note was part of a light-hearted correspondence between a commander and his officers about an expected code of behaviour.”
 
ObedientiaZelum, you sir, have no sense of humour for your martial superiors. ;D
 
I read this at first as "General Battle Sandwiches" and thought it referred to sandwich makers and LAVIIIs and who in the section should make the sandwiches.
 
Hmmmm.....I don't think this gentlemen would enjoy visiting an Air Force TGIF........ :evil:
 
The mess is supposed to be fun, but there is one always of these guys in some position of authority to ruin it.

I can't wait for his next letter which will probably be asking, "How come there is no enthusiasm in attending our mess functions anymore?"
 
Lightguns said:
ObedientiaZelum, you sir, have no sense of humour for your martial superiors. ;D

ObedientiaZelum's secret to a good marriage is to never bring his partner to a mess function  :nod:

I'll have you know I have a lot in common with this general. I eat cheese curds with a fork and peanuts with a spoon  ;D
 
Sounds like a Canadian Army officers' how not to be uncouth lecture circa 1960.  :P
 
The address 'Chaps' set the dry tone.  Nevertheless, call me old fashion but I find much military writing incomprehensible, hand written 'thank you' notes sincere, shovels at the dining room table (as distinct from a field kitchen) vulgar, and so on.  I remember being instructed on all his points and more in the RCSofI (figure it out) Officers' Mess in Borden, as an officer cadet. I disagree that the social graces somehow contradict the military profession. For an officer to be a lady or gentleman when out of the field, should in no way impinge on her or his capacity to soldier as well.  I like a little protocol in life.  It is certainly a pleasant contrast to green hair covered by reversed caps complimented with oversized t-shirts and under sized pants surmounting shuffling fluorescent orange running shoes accompanied by  grunts as conversation. As a senior officer I used to warn my juniors that they were to talk with every guest in the mess regardless of age or language, and that would require a little preparation before hand. If that was work, tough. There is a reason for good manners.  e.g. Officers first and foremost must get resources and these social contacts could prove essential in the future. Standards of social deportment have fallen considerably.  I think his note would be appropriate on this side of the ocean.
 
And I think he's the sort of pretentious ass that has driven the mess into irrelevance.

As long as the white napkins and china set hold sway the mess will remain a crumbling vestige of a failed, faded colonial past.
 
dapaterson said:
And I think he's the sort of pretentious *** that has driven the mess into irrelevance.

As long as the white napkins and china set hold sway the mess will remain a crumbling vestige of a failed, faded colonial past.

Here here :cheers:
 
The squaddies over at Arrse have given this their due consideration it seems.  8)

http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/gen-cowans-edict-a-reply.211041/
 
Danjanou said:
The squaddies over at Arrse have given this their due consideration it seems.  8)

"WARGS"  (Wives And Reputable Girlfriends)  :rofl:
 
I think everyone is forgetting this is about formal occasions. As mentioned upthread, meeting people could unlock doors and resources that you otherwise would not have access to, and a dinner party thrown by a General might have local politicians, the Honorary Colonel (or a candidate for Honorary Colonel), senior officers from across the Brigade or foreign officers in attendance. Even if you don't like cucumber sandwiches, being invited to such a gathering is an opportunity which you should be trained and prepared for.

Informal occasions, or closed functions like a Regimental dinner can devolve to whatever traditions or informal codes of behaviour exist, but even at a mess dinner, field expedient solutions like eating poutine with a pocket knife should not have to happen; the "host" can get proper cutlery from the catering staff (and of course the "host" can also enforce whatever standards they so choose).

Agree that too much emphasis on "dress and deportment" at the mess might obliviate the "fun" factor, but remember the original function of the mess was to be a "gentleman's club" for aristocratic officers who happened to be stationed overseas in the 1700's, where keeping in practice with your manners and etiquette would be very important upon returning to the old country. I suppose *we* need to decide what a purpose a mess in the 21rst century really serves to properly answer this debate.
 
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