Prime Minister Stephen Harper, word for word
John Ivison and David Akin, National Post and Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, January 06, 2010
Pat McGrath/The Ottawa CitizenPrime Minister Stephen Harper in his office in the Langevin Block on Parliament Hill on Jan. 6, 2010.
Interview of Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada by John Ivison, National Post and David Akin, Canwest News Service in prime minister's office in Langevin Block on Parliament Hill, January 6, 2010
IVISON: Prime Minister, it seems there is not going to be much for us to write about, unless there are Senate appointments in our near future. Are they coming, will there be more than five and will that have a big impact on your Senate reform plans?
HARPER: As you know, the government intends to fill the new vacancies in the Senate. I don't think we've been secret about that, especially after the Liberals used their numbers in the Senate to block three important pieces of government legislation that were widely supported by the public -- cracking down on grow-ops, dealing with the problem of auto-theft and also some consumer product safety legislation, which, I will say as an aside, you wrote a very good column on, so you do think once in a while! But this is important legislation and we quite frankly find it appalling that it was blocked. So we will be naming the five vacancies in the not too distant future. That will help -- it will make us the largest party in the Senate but it doesn't solve all of our problems because we still don't have a majority. But it will make passage of these bills easier.
It will also give me some senators who will support the government's Senate reform agenda, which is one of the many things stalled. If there's any legislation that gets the most difficult ride of all in the Senate it's Senate reform legislation. I'm optimistic that as we appoint more reform-minded senators, we'll start to unblock the Senate.
AKIN: Just a quick note on John's question, you're going to appoint five and not more? You could appoint more.
HARPER: I have no plans to appoint . . . as you know the Constitution will allow an extra four or eight. That's been used once. It would be an extraordinary act, so I would hope we would never get pushed to do that.
AKIN: I'm going to move to the economy and you spoke in your interview with (CBC anchorman Peter) Mansbridge (Tuesday) -- you used a phrase "recalibrating the government's agenda."
HARPER: Yeah.
AKIN: I thought that was an interesting word and I wonder if you could expand a little bit, particularly when it comes to the economy -- what do you mean when you talk about recalibrating?
HARPER: Well first of all, as I did say yesterday, I think we're looking at a very different 2010 than 2009. In 2009, obviously, our focus was entirely on the development and delivery of a stimulus program in the context at the beginning of the year of a global economy that was continuing to fall at quite alarming speed, as you know. Now, where are we today? We're still in a period of uncertainty. I don't want to minimize this. It's nothing like uncertainty we had a year ago. We're still in a period of uncertainty. However, I think most people feel, most observers feel that there is potential for some upside this year. Most of us expect the economy will grow. There's doubts around that. We certainly don't expect to see a further fall. We've seen stabilization even in the fall. What the government will be doing, obviously -- the principle purpose of our economic agenda still remains delivery of the Economic Action Plan and the completion of the second year of that program.
But we do have to cast our minds in terms of the economy, in terms of our budget, to tackling the deficit. That will obviously be the next phase to ensure that the extraordinary measures we've had to undertake don't result in a permanent deficits. Right now we do have, we still have the lowest deficit in major industrialized countries; we have the lowest debt ratio but those assets have to be protecting through prudent management and our focus will start to be on exit strategies from the extraordinary fiscal measures we've undertaken.
IVISON: Are we going to see restraint in this budget?
HARPER: I won't speculate on what will be in the budget but I will say - and you'll hear me say this both nationally and internationally because as you know I'm chairing the G8 and co-chairing the G20 - that we'll be talking about, both nationally and internationally, the necessity of continuing the stimulus measures in the short-term but beginning to think in the medium term about serious exit strategies from some of these economic measures. And also how to continue to advance key economic priorities in a period of constrained spending growth which we will need to see in the next few years. We still have to be able to advance key files that will continue to build the strength of the Canadian economy.
I've given my cabinet ministers - all of my cabinet ministers now - comprehensive mandate letters to re-examine their priorities in terms of this major direction. We'll also review all government legislation. We'll decide what we're going to proceed with. We'll decide what we may combine. We'll decide what we'll drop and, of course, we'll be taking a look at what new measures we might be able to introduce going forward.
IVISON: You talk the budget -- can you assure Canadians that if the opposition parties support the budget, and by dint of that your agenda, that you won't try to force a spring election?
HARPER: Yes -- I have no desire to have a spring election and I don't think anybody does. I certainly don't think the public does. I don't think the intensity of the view there may not be the same but I still don't think anybody wants to see an election. I'm not even convinced the opposition parties want one but that's a judgment they'll have to make themselves.
IVISON: There has been a lot of energy spent on politics in your four years (in government). We've reached a stage now where some hard decisions have to be made. Do you think you need a majority government to do that and would you campaign on that when one comes?
HARPER: Since I just said that I have no desire to see an election, it would be inappropriate of me to start saying what I would campaign on. Look -- I've got a mandate right now from the Canadian people and I've said I'm content to work within that mandate. All we've ever asked of the opposition parties is to respect that mandate. They have to decide whether they support the government's agenda or oppose it. That's their choice. As part of the process of putting together a throne speech, we'll invite their input. But Canadians have given us a mandate -- it's a minority mandate -- we know we to work in that context and we will continue to try to do so.
AKIN: I want to ask a little bit about, not necessarily about climate change but climate change is the starting point. We look around the country right now, we have Ontario, B.C. and Quebec -- provinces that are going their own way, pulling one way on their approach to the problem -- and we have Alberta and Saskatchewan going their way. And some premiers say, ‘Where's the federal government been?' They accuse the federal government of not showing leadership that they'd like on the file and when you add that together, you have the seeds of what could be a unity problem, some fissures in the federation. Are you worried about that because there hasn't yet been a national climate change policy?
HARPER: I think you can only have a problem if the federal government creates a national unity problem. Provinces, as you know, some unfortunately can be critical of other provinces' environmental approaches, but ultimately one province can't control another province's environmental policy. It's up to the federal government to advance a national policy and our approach has been very clear. We've been very clear on what our targets are and also very clear that we're looking to implement these in a continental framework working with the Obama administration. Of course, it helps, you know, since President Obama came to office and since I've had my first meeting with him, they've announced targets that are almost identical to our targets so we continue to meet with them at high levels to look at best ways of moving forward. I think, as you know, we've got that framework essentially now recognized in the Copenhagen Accord. So look: I'm convinced that the country, this country, will be a positive contributor to a realistic fight against climate change. But ultimately, this government, the national government, will make those decisions and it will make those decisions in a way that treats all parts of the country fairly.
AKIN: When your party first came to power -- and Minister (John) Baird was famous for using this phrase -- that the Liberals just didn't get it done when it came to climate change. But four years in, we're still waiting to implement some of those things and some people -- if there are regional tensions, maybe it is on the pace of implementation, that it is taking four years. It took years for the Liberals and they never did it, and now it's four years for your team.
HARPER: I would put it in context. I think what Minister Baird said is that it was the Liberal party that promised massive reductions to greenhouse gases overnight and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing. This government has been very cautious in terms of what it says can be done. Our target is modest. It's longer-term and we believe it's achievable but we've been very clear, we believe it's only achievable working within a continental framework and that's what we're doing.
IVISON: Afghanistan -- can you elaborate on a military pullout in 2011 actually means? Are we still going to have a Provincial Reconstruction Team? How is CIDA (Canadian International Development Agency) going to operate? Do we have any of those answers yet?
HARPER: We have been working on those answers but the bottom line is that the military mission will end in 2011. There will be a phased withdrawal, beginning in the middle of the year. We hope to have that concluded by the end of that year. As you know the Obama administration, not coincidentally, is talking about beginning its withdrawal in 2011, at the same time we are. We will continue to maintain humanitarian and development missions, as well as important diplomatic activity in Afghanistan. But we will not be undertaking any activities that require any kind of military presence, other than the odd guard guarding an embassy. We will not be undertaking any kind activity that requires a significant military force protection, so it will become a strictly civilian mission. It will be a significantly smaller mission than it is today.
IVISON: Do you still believe in a state-building strategy in Afghanistan? Some people think we should have a much less ambitious game-plan because foreigners can't give the gift of a state to Afghans.
HARPER: I think the reality is that all actors over the past few years have been downgrading their expectations of what can be achieved in Afghanistan. But it is still important that we have a viable, functioning state in Afghanistan that has some acceptable democratic and rule of law norms. If we don't, we run the serious risk of returning in Afghanistan to what we had before. No matter what differences people have on the mission, everybody agrees that the mission has the purpose to ensure that Afghanistan does not return to being a failed state that is an incubator of terrorism.
AKIN: One last question: You mention John Diefenbaker a lot in your speeches I've noticed as I follow you around ...
HARPER: Yeah, in some contexts ..
AKIN: Now, he retired -- actually, he died as an MP.
HARPER: Yeah, he did.
AKIN: Do (you) see yourself in a decade -- you may not be prime minister -- do you see a career for yourself after this? I don't sense you're the board of directors type but I don't know, maybe you are -- an academic? What do you want to do? Where are you in a decade?
HARPER: Well, first of all, I think to be fair, let's give the people of Canada an opportunity to retire me before I have to cast my mind to this . . .
AKIN: Well, let's assume one day they will, it might be 20 years, who knows?
HARPER: I would hope not to die in office. My wife sometimes thinks I may be headed that way but, now that I'm 50, we're trying to live a somewhat better lifestyle . . . But look, I'm not going to speculate. I'm honoured to have the job that I have I plan to do it a while longer but I don't plan to be a lifer in politics. I'm not sure that that's really in anybody's interests. I don't think it's in the country's interests or the party's interests or my own interests but, in my own judgment, I still have a while to serve but ultimately at some point the Canadian people will be asked to make that judgment for me.