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http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1104350989316_99760189?hub=topstories
Looks like the border is reopening finally.
Looks like the border is reopening finally.
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Looks like the border is reopening finally.
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BAD NEWS just heard on the news this morning a 10 year old dairy cow has tested positive for mad cow disease. All preliminary tests show positive results and they are just waiting for final confirmation.
It'll start all over again.
Looks like the border is reopening finally.
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BAD NEWS just heard on the news this morning a 10 year old dairy cow has tested positive for mad cow disease. All preliminary tests show positive results and they are just waiting for final confirmation.
It'll start all over again.
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Thought I heard they've done a few tests already, they were all positive. If I didn't know better, I'd say someone had this thing on ice till they lifted the sanctions. Rolled it out, thawed it and said " Woops, still got mad cow here!!". :
Sherwood,
Surely there's some problems down there (up there from here). Maybe it's not recognised is all. Just the other day I heard a lefty say you were all mad there. ;D
Sherwood,
Surely there's some problems down there (up there from here). Maybe it's not recognised is all. Just the other day I heard a lefty say you were all mad there. ;D
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X Royal said:
I hope not. The CFIA had informed the USDA of the potential positive before the USDA made their announcement yesterday.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/30/mad-cow-cfia041230.html
OTTAWA - The Canadian Food Inspection Agency expects the U.S. to go ahead with plans to reopen the border to live cattle from Canada despite tests suggesting another Canadian cow may have been infected with mad cow disease.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture said on Wednesday that it would reopen the border to live cattle less than 30 months old and a wider variety of cuts of beef beginning March 7.
Before they made that announcement, Canadian officials told their U.S. counterparts that a suspect case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy was working its way through the Canadian system, Dr. Gary Little of the CFIA said at a media briefing on Thursday morning.
The CFIA issued a news release about the suspected new case early Thursday morning.
Little said the suspect cow was detected through the national surveillance program and the finding was "not unexpected."
Recent case a 10-year-old cow
Canada has operated on the assumption that there was probably some low-level exposure to BSE in North America, and that some cases are likely to be found among older cows, such as this most recent case.
A 10-year-old cow from Alberta was identified as a "downer," or a cow that can't walk, when it died earlier this month, and a local veterinarian took samples on Dec. 17 so it could be tested for BSE.
After screening tests in Edmonton on Dec. 28 and Dec. 29 showed consistent "non-negative" results, the samples were sent to the centre for human and animal health in Winnipeg for definitive testing.
Little insisted the diagnosis isn't conclusive until the final test, the results of which are expected in two to four days.
Should the final test show the cow had BSE, the CFIA will launch a focused investigation into the cow's history.
Early warning unique
Canadian officials said they normally wouldn't publicly release results until the disease had been confirmed, but felt the U.S. plans warranted the early warning.
"Given the unique situation created by the United States' border announcement ... it was decided that the most prudent action would be to publicly announce the available information and provide stakeholders with a full understanding of the current situation," the agency said.
FROM DEC. 29, 2004: Reopening of border to cattle 'a long time coming' say Canadian ranchers
The department recognized Canada as a "minimal-risk region" for BSE, in part because of measures taken to prevent the spread of the disease.
Canadian ranchers and feedlot operators reacted with relief to the change, which would allow live animals under 30 months old and a wider variety of cuts of beef to be shipped south.
Their industry plunged into crisis when the Americans imposed the ban in May 2003, after a single case of BSE showed up in Alberta.
USDA downplays new case
A USDA spokesperson said on Thursday the new test results weren't likely to have any impact on the plans to reopen the border.
A Canadian cattle industry official also said he doubts the new case would cause problems.
"Early indications are things will continue to move ahead," said Dennis Laycraft, executive director of the Canadian Cattlemen's Association.
The Canadian agency said no part of the animal suspected of having the disease entered the human-food or animal-feed chains.
Little also pointed out a positive case wouldn't indicate that mad cow disease is spreading in Canada. The suspect cow was born before many of the rules were implemented to stop the spread, such as the 1997 ban on animal products in feed
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IIRC, they did 1 rapid BSE test in Edmonton, when it came back non-negative, they confirmed with a second rapid BSE test. When that came back non-negative, they have sent the samples to Winnipeg for the more comprehensive test.
Sherwood, this cow is 10 years old. The feed ban came into effect in 1997 (IIRC). Things have changed a lot since then.
I agree with Brin, let's wait until confirmation from Winnipeg. Also there was a similar situation in the US not so long ago, where the rapid tests came back with non-negative, but the comprehensive was negative.
Sherwood, this cow is 10 years old. The feed ban came into effect in 1997 (IIRC). Things have changed a lot since then.
I agree with Brin, let's wait until confirmation from Winnipeg. Also there was a similar situation in the US not so long ago, where the rapid tests came back with non-negative, but the comprehensive was negative.
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whats the big deal of one 10 year old DAIRY cow having mad cow? you can't get mad cow from drinking mad cow milk and i dunno about you, but i sure as hell don't plan on eating a dairy cow. thing never would have gotten into the food chain so as far as i'm concerned, its no big deal. as well, as eowyn mentioned, the cow predates the feed ban. up till '97, cow feed could be made up of recycled cows, some of which had BSE, thus possibly infecting the cows that ate the feed. but as i said before, theres no mad cow milk. milk is milk, and last time i checked, milk was all dairy cows were good for, you don't eat 'em.
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I hope I'm wrong but this gives the US beef industry(beef producers & meat packers) ammunition to push for further restrictions. Their lobbyists just have not had time to exploit this yet. The US beef producers want to protect their territory and the meat packers are making a killing off the current situation. By the way all the large Canadian meat packing houses are US owned and also reaping in the profits. Farmers receive far less than they should get but the consumers are not paying less so who's winning?
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i dunno about you, but i sure as heck don't plan on eating a dairy cow. thing never would have gotten into the food chain so as far as i'm concerned, its no big deal.
and last time i checked, milk was all dairy cows were good for, you don't eat 'em.
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What do you think they do with them. They are used for hamburger and other processed meats. Just go to a beef auction and see the animals the packing houses that specialize in burgers and processed meats bid on. Top line steers don't get ground up for the burger chains.
i dunno about you, but i sure as heck don't plan on eating a dairy cow. thing never would have gotten into the food chain so as far as i'm concerned, its no big deal.
and last time i checked, milk was all dairy cows were good for, you don't eat 'em.
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What do you think they do with them. They are used for hamburger and other processed meats. Just go to a beef auction and see the animals the packing houses that specialize in burgers and processed meats bid on. Top line steers don't get ground up for the burger chains.
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devil39 said:
That sounds about right...
I trust the beef up here more than the stuff from down south.
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Dogboy said:
Right. And that has been recognized and we now have animal feed laws to avoid this. My argument would be that this is likely happening in many more countries around the world, including the US, but we are very honest and report it. As it should be I guess.
Farmers used to feed cattle animal byproducts to increase the weight and growth of the animal, and thus the profit. It can be very hard to make a living today as a farmer. It is a business, just like manufacturing, sales, or professional sports. Any shortcut will do unfortunately.
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My 4 points:
1)- This cow was a 10 year old family pet, not a dairy cow for commercial use.
2)- 2 positive tests in millions of head of cattle is pretty good in my books.
3)- We should not, and do not, feed ground up bovine to bovines anymore.....supposedly.
4)- Incredibly, when baby cattle are born from dairy cows, they are fed the blood of slaughtered cattle and not their mother's milk as it is too valuable. This gives them the protein and nutrients required for growth. I guess there is no risk of bsc doing that, but my god, that's pretty disturbing! No baby should never, ever, be forced to drink blood for sustenance. I don't care if it's cow, chicken, dog, or human, that's just not right. Profits be damned, the little buggers should be eating from the teat, not a blood trough! I read this in an article about this new case in the Vancouver Sun about a week ago.....
1)- This cow was a 10 year old family pet, not a dairy cow for commercial use.
2)- 2 positive tests in millions of head of cattle is pretty good in my books.
3)- We should not, and do not, feed ground up bovine to bovines anymore.....supposedly.
4)- Incredibly, when baby cattle are born from dairy cows, they are fed the blood of slaughtered cattle and not their mother's milk as it is too valuable. This gives them the protein and nutrients required for growth. I guess there is no risk of bsc doing that, but my god, that's pretty disturbing! No baby should never, ever, be forced to drink blood for sustenance. I don't care if it's cow, chicken, dog, or human, that's just not right. Profits be damned, the little buggers should be eating from the teat, not a blood trough! I read this in an article about this new case in the Vancouver Sun about a week ago.....
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Where have you heard this from? Being in the veterinary world I have never heard of this practice and certainly never witnessed any such thing growing up on a dairy farm. Calves are indeed not fed their mother's milk as its used to sell to you and the public but the calves are fed a milk substitute with colostrum added at the beginning if necessary.
Edit to add: the blood I think you are referring to is dried serum which provides the colostrum for a calf that either hasn't nursed from mom or hasn't received enough antibodies against disease in the first 24 hours. Think of it as an oral vaccination. Calves are certainly not fed whole blood!
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My uncle, my 3 cousins, my great-uncle, multiple friends of the family, and my mother did as well when she was a kid as well as 3 cats and anywhere up to 5 dogs at one time. Only two of which were ever allowed in the house. The cows stayed in the barns...S_Baker said:
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S_Baker said:
I grew up in Sydney NS, a city of 30,000 and some crazy old lady in my neighbourhood had a skinny old cow for a pet(in the middle of the city), it had the signature cow bell around its neck and she took it for walks up and down the street. Pretty funny actually. Your question just made me think of that. Ahh good times...
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I read it in the Vancouver Sun about a week ago...can't find the article on the cumbersome global.com site, but found this article on a google search.
http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=51540-us-fears-over
a quote from the article:
"However, Canada has not banned the feeding of cow blood to calves, even though some scientists believe this practice is a potential method for spreading mad cow disease. Safeway claims that it only purchases a small quantity of beef products from Canada, and that all of it meets strict federal requirements for food safety."
I had to read the article (in the Sun) three times to make sure I had it right, so I know I wasn't just misreading it. As well, I suppose I shouldn't believe everything I read, but I did find a lot on the net regarding this practice.
Pretty sad, really.
http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=51540-us-fears-over
a quote from the article:
"However, Canada has not banned the feeding of cow blood to calves, even though some scientists believe this practice is a potential method for spreading mad cow disease. Safeway claims that it only purchases a small quantity of beef products from Canada, and that all of it meets strict federal requirements for food safety."
I had to read the article (in the Sun) three times to make sure I had it right, so I know I wasn't just misreading it. As well, I suppose I shouldn't believe everything I read, but I did find a lot on the net regarding this practice.
Pretty sad, really.
