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Posted by ghallman <ghallman@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca> on Fri, 19 May 2000 20:14:15 -0300
The terms used to describe what qualification level you have seem to change
frequently. Currently a private with reserve QL3 infantry, less then 2
years TI is eligible for recruit school bypass when joining the Reg force
but still must take the Reg. QL3. Once a Private gets promoted to Corporal
he is eligible to transfer strait into a Reg. Force Infantry battalion. I
can‘t say that I personally agree with that but its not like my opinion
carries any weight. As far as gore-tex kit goes, it is a rather high
maintenance/cost fabric. Just a quick rundown on how gore-tex works: The
gore-tex membrane is covered in microscopic pores. Each hole is 20,000
times smaller then a drop of water but it is 700 times larger then a
molecule of water vapour. This allows sweat to evaporate through the
gore-tex but lets no water enter even under high pressure. What helps the
water vapour pass through is the thermal/pressure difference inside the
garment compared to on the outside. Obviously if the fabric is punctured
this all goes to rat****. But hey it doesn‘t matter if you wear a diver‘s
dry suit, being wet is as sure to a soldier as death and taxes. The new
gore-tex kit is still light-years ahead of the old kit and I think we‘d all
rather sleep in sleeping bag thats in a bivy bag then one that isn‘t. The
point is that the job is difficult enough, why not at least try to make it
a little more comfortable for as long as possible. When it comes to the
olive drab VS cam combats, the evidence is there that Cam works. Even at
night. One of the lessons learned by the 7th Special Forces Group in
Vietnam is
"Wear camouflage BDUs on operations. Even when soaking wet at night, BDUs
are remarkably "invisible" to NVGs. Plain OG-107 jungle fatigues, however,
appear completely black when wet, and wet LCE appears like white stripes on
them -- a man‘s silhouette can be clearly and easily seen by an enemy using
NVGs."
Growing pains hurt I know but change is constant.
>From: Carl DINSDALE
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 3:12 AM
>Subject: Re: CADETS
>
>
>> ghallman,
>>
>> I‘m getting increasingly irate at your braggart type of opinions on being
>an
>> infanteer. If you were half as highly trained as you claim to be and had
>paid
>> more attention in your QL3, you‘d know that scrim is put on your helmet to
>break
>> up it‘s outline, not change the colour. Remember Michael O‘Leary‘s
>reminder on
>> why things are seen? I spent my entire six years in the RCR in the OD
>combats and
>> they were perfectly fine and the colour blended amazingly well with almost
>any
>> terrain. The bottom line is that clothing is not going to make up for
>individual
>> field craft skills, either you can sneak and peak, or you can‘t.
>Historically, I
>> can‘t recall very many confrontations won by the side with the best cam,
>but if
>> I‘m wrong by all means correct me.
>>
>> ghallman wrote:
>>
>> > I think that what you are trying to say is that nothing is perfect. Of
>> > course there is no ultimate cam pattern. There is no chameleon cam suit
>> > that changes color with its surroundings.
>> > But I do think that I will trust the opinion of the soldiers that did
>the
>> > testing and the overwhelming majority of soldiers in the world that
>believe
>> > in cam patterns. If olive drab was such a good cam color then we
>wouldn‘t
>> > put vegetation on our helmets we‘d just just have an olive drab cover.
>> > Take a look at the forest, are trees completely olive drab.
>> > At 07:51 PM 18/05/2000 PDT, you wrote:
>> > >sure, the new cams are ugly but the thing that people don‘t realize is
>that
>> > >the new cams don‘t conceal as well as the current ones do. there was a
>man
>> > >from kingston who is a retired infantryman of a number of years who
>wrote an
>> > >article in the kingston Whig Standard about the comparison between the
>two.
>> > >he talked about how multi-colour cam is not necessarily the best.
>camouflage
>> > >is meant to conceal soldiers into the surroundings. good camouflage
>will
>> > >conceal soldiers into a multitude of surroundings. there was a study
>done
>> > >with cam from different countries. the brown and green cams from the
>states
>> > >are good for concealment in parts of the states. the grey and black
>cams in
>> > >switzerland conceals best in the mountainous swiss alps. but the study
>> > >concluded that the best camouflage scheme that conceals best in ANY
>type of
>> > >surrounding is plain ol‘ Olive Drab Green!!! don‘t believe me?? i‘ll
>scan
>> > >the article and send it to you!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >From: ghallman
>> > >Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>> > >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>> > >Subject: RE: CADETS
>> > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:22:54 -0300
>> > >
>> > >I think the general opinion on the new cam combats would be better if
>they
>> > >weren‘t so ugly. But remember cam is designed to save lives not to
>look
>> > >cool in.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >At 09:28 AM 18/05/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>> > > >We‘re getting camo kit - soon some regs already have it - but let‘s
>not
>> > >go
>> > > >down that road - I adm personally a fan of the current OD pattern
>combat
>> > > >clothes - a better all purpose uniform in my humble opinion
>> > > >
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The terms used to describe what qualification level you have seem to change
frequently. Currently a private with reserve QL3 infantry, less then 2
years TI is eligible for recruit school bypass when joining the Reg force
but still must take the Reg. QL3. Once a Private gets promoted to Corporal
he is eligible to transfer strait into a Reg. Force Infantry battalion. I
can‘t say that I personally agree with that but its not like my opinion
carries any weight. As far as gore-tex kit goes, it is a rather high
maintenance/cost fabric. Just a quick rundown on how gore-tex works: The
gore-tex membrane is covered in microscopic pores. Each hole is 20,000
times smaller then a drop of water but it is 700 times larger then a
molecule of water vapour. This allows sweat to evaporate through the
gore-tex but lets no water enter even under high pressure. What helps the
water vapour pass through is the thermal/pressure difference inside the
garment compared to on the outside. Obviously if the fabric is punctured
this all goes to rat****. But hey it doesn‘t matter if you wear a diver‘s
dry suit, being wet is as sure to a soldier as death and taxes. The new
gore-tex kit is still light-years ahead of the old kit and I think we‘d all
rather sleep in sleeping bag thats in a bivy bag then one that isn‘t. The
point is that the job is difficult enough, why not at least try to make it
a little more comfortable for as long as possible. When it comes to the
olive drab VS cam combats, the evidence is there that Cam works. Even at
night. One of the lessons learned by the 7th Special Forces Group in
Vietnam is
"Wear camouflage BDUs on operations. Even when soaking wet at night, BDUs
are remarkably "invisible" to NVGs. Plain OG-107 jungle fatigues, however,
appear completely black when wet, and wet LCE appears like white stripes on
them -- a man‘s silhouette can be clearly and easily seen by an enemy using
NVGs."
Growing pains hurt I know but change is constant.
>From: Carl DINSDALE
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 3:12 AM
>Subject: Re: CADETS
>
>
>> ghallman,
>>
>> I‘m getting increasingly irate at your braggart type of opinions on being
>an
>> infanteer. If you were half as highly trained as you claim to be and had
>paid
>> more attention in your QL3, you‘d know that scrim is put on your helmet to
>break
>> up it‘s outline, not change the colour. Remember Michael O‘Leary‘s
>reminder on
>> why things are seen? I spent my entire six years in the RCR in the OD
>combats and
>> they were perfectly fine and the colour blended amazingly well with almost
>any
>> terrain. The bottom line is that clothing is not going to make up for
>individual
>> field craft skills, either you can sneak and peak, or you can‘t.
>Historically, I
>> can‘t recall very many confrontations won by the side with the best cam,
>but if
>> I‘m wrong by all means correct me.
>>
>> ghallman wrote:
>>
>> > I think that what you are trying to say is that nothing is perfect. Of
>> > course there is no ultimate cam pattern. There is no chameleon cam suit
>> > that changes color with its surroundings.
>> > But I do think that I will trust the opinion of the soldiers that did
>the
>> > testing and the overwhelming majority of soldiers in the world that
>believe
>> > in cam patterns. If olive drab was such a good cam color then we
>wouldn‘t
>> > put vegetation on our helmets we‘d just just have an olive drab cover.
>> > Take a look at the forest, are trees completely olive drab.
>> > At 07:51 PM 18/05/2000 PDT, you wrote:
>> > >sure, the new cams are ugly but the thing that people don‘t realize is
>that
>> > >the new cams don‘t conceal as well as the current ones do. there was a
>man
>> > >from kingston who is a retired infantryman of a number of years who
>wrote an
>> > >article in the kingston Whig Standard about the comparison between the
>two.
>> > >he talked about how multi-colour cam is not necessarily the best.
>camouflage
>> > >is meant to conceal soldiers into the surroundings. good camouflage
>will
>> > >conceal soldiers into a multitude of surroundings. there was a study
>done
>> > >with cam from different countries. the brown and green cams from the
>states
>> > >are good for concealment in parts of the states. the grey and black
>cams in
>> > >switzerland conceals best in the mountainous swiss alps. but the study
>> > >concluded that the best camouflage scheme that conceals best in ANY
>type of
>> > >surrounding is plain ol‘ Olive Drab Green!!! don‘t believe me?? i‘ll
>scan
>> > >the article and send it to you!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >From: ghallman
>> > >Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>> > >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>> > >Subject: RE: CADETS
>> > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:22:54 -0300
>> > >
>> > >I think the general opinion on the new cam combats would be better if
>they
>> > >weren‘t so ugly. But remember cam is designed to save lives not to
>look
>> > >cool in.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >At 09:28 AM 18/05/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>> > > >We‘re getting camo kit - soon some regs already have it - but let‘s
>not
>> > >go
>> > > >down that road - I adm personally a fan of the current OD pattern
>combat
>> > > >clothes - a better all purpose uniform in my humble opinion
>> > > >
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>> > > >message body.
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