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Argentina Reasserts Claims To Falklands (again)

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Here we go again

Argentina Reasserts Claims To Falklands


http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-03-voa29.cfm?rss=europe
 
They may claim the territory as theirs but the people are British, why not hold a referendum on the issue? Everybody knows what the outcome will be, and the Argentinians will lose all claims to the islands.
 
Note to ARG:  Last time you walked, next time you swim?  Or was this the Turks' line in Cyprus?  ;)
 
If things boil over again, I wonder how the Argentine Navy will do this time? With their aircraft carrier "Veinticinco de Mayo" scrapped, the old cruiser "General Belgrano" at the bottom of the ocean thanks to HMS Conqueror and with only two carriers (I don't count HMS Oean as a carrier) in the Royal Navy to deal with, wonder what'll they sortie against the Brits?

 
CougarKing said:
If things boil over again, I wonder how the Argentine Navy will do this time? With their aircraft carrier "Veinticinco de Mayo" scrapped, the old cruiser "General Belgrano" at the bottom of the ocean thanks to HMS Conqueror and with only two carriers (I don't count HMS Oean as a carrier) in the Royal Navy to deal with, wonder what'll they sortie against the Brits?

If you recal your history correctly, the Argentine Navy was not much of a factor in the 1982 conflict, yet the British still got a bloody nose. That the Argentine Navy is without 25 de mayo and Belgrano is rather irrelevant isnt it ?
 
if i remember correctly last time these two nations squared off it didnt turn out to good for Argentina. Hopefully for them they wont try to take it over by force again. I dont think they will because in 1982 they had a military dictatorship.
 
Last time Britian fought hard and basically played the aggressive fighters that played within the rules. I have a feeling that there will be little if any thought to not hurting Argentina with use of advanced weapons, some probably on loan from the US.

I don't envy Argentina the shellacing it is going to get.
 
But both their Naval air arms and Air Force anti-shipping squadrons still have that valuable experience gained from the Falklands War from sinking those British Frigates as well as that auxiliary carrier "Atlantic Causeway/Conveyor". Even if those pilots won't be flying in any squadrons that may participate in any future Argy offensive, these veterans would have passed on their experience in their training of their successors. Some of these veterans may even still be squadron commanders or possibly even flag rank by now.

Suppose they make another invasion? I know the RAF has one Tornado squadron there, as well as a small RN presence. How will the Argentines respond to another RN Task Force that comes to relieve the Brits in the islands?

 
I seriously doubt that the Argentinians are foolish enough to start another war. The last war was a ploy to unite Argentinian support for the military government of the day and bring Argentina's economy out of a decline. it worked for a while with over 200,000 people pouring into the capitals main square in celebration. Then to make a long story short Britian came along and won the war and the government in Argentina was forced from power. So this recent statement is probably just political banter to gain votes among Argentinians who see the islands as belonging to them.  Also when they invaded last time they had to deal with only 50 royal marines guarding the governors residence, now there is a sizeable military force on the island ( I am not sure of the exact numbers of troops)

cdnaviator said:
If you recal your history correctly, the Argentine Navy was not much of a factor in the 1982 conflict, yet the British still got a bloody nose. That the Argentine Navy is without 25 de mayo and Belgrano is rather irrelevant isnt it ?
In all fairness the damage to the royal navy was dealt by land based aircraft from the mainland. After the Belgrano was sunk the Argentinian navy withdrew from the conflict.
 
warspite said:
In all fairness the damage to the royal navy was dealt by land based aircraft from the mainland. After the Belgrano was sunk the Argentinian navy withdrew from the conflict.

Thank you for saying exactly the same thing that i just did with different words  ::)
 
warspite said:
Also when they invaded last time they had to deal with only 50 royal marines guarding the governors residence, now there is a sizeable military force on the island ( I am not sure of the exact numbers of troops)

http://www.army.mod.uk/aroundtheworld/flk/index.htm

About 500 Army personnel are currently stationed on the Falkland Islands. They work within the following groups: an Infantry Company Group, an Engineer Squadron, a Signals Unit, a Logistics Group and Supporting Services.
 
What about the RAF Tornado squadron in the Falklands? Is that it for Air Defense besides a few RN ASW choppers?
 
HMS Sheffield : Sunk By exocet fired from Super Etandards
HMS Antelope : Sunk by 1000lbs bomb dropped from an A-4 Skyhawk
HMS Coventry : Sunk by 3x 1000 lbs bombs from A-4 Skyhawks
MV Atlantic Conveyor : Sunk by Exocet fired by Super etandard
HMS Argonaut : Damaged by bomb that failed to explode
RFA Sir Bedivere : Damaged by bomb from Dagger aircraft
RFA Sir Galahad : Destroyed by 3x 500 lbs  bombs from A-4 Skyhawks while unloading the Welsh Guards

I dont know about you but i can pretty much pinpoint where the threat comes from......


 
Well then if they did attack a NATO ally looks like all we have to do is send them some ADATS, Though with their navy out of the ball game all the Brits have to worry about is the Air Force, so a war could be discouraged alltogether by the placement of lots of anti-aircraft guns around the island. That being the cheapest solution to the worst case scenario.
 
cdnaviator said:
HMS Sheffield : Sunk By exocet fired from Super Etandards
HMS Antelope : Sunk by 1000lbs bomb dropped from an A-4 Skyhawk
HMS Coventry : Sunk by 3x 1000 lbs bombs from A-4 Skyhawks
MV Atlantic Conveyor : Sunk by Exocet fired by Super etandard
HMS Argonaut : Damaged by bomb that failed to explode
RFA Sir Bedivere : Damaged by bomb from Dagger aircraft
RFA Sir Galahad : Destroyed by 3x 500 lbs  bombs from A-4 Skyhawks while unloading the Welsh Guards

I dont know about you but i can pretty much pinpoint where the threat comes from......

Cdnaviator,

You forgot the auxiliary aircraft carrier Atlantic Conveyor on your list of ship casualties. She had flown off her Harriers and Wessex choppers before Exocet missiles caught her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Conveyor
 
CougarKing said:
Cdnaviator,

You forgot the auxiliary aircraft carrier Atlantic Conveyor on your list of ship casualties. She had flown off her Harriers and Wessex choppers before Exocet missiles caught her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Conveyor

Go and read my post again...with the correct eyewear prescription this time !!!   ::) 
 
Perfect timing as the Royal Navy is mothballing half the fleet. :-\
 
Cdnaviator,

It was a single mistake simply by overlooking one line on your post. Still, which OTHER facts are you referring to? I never mentioned the 1982 War in my previous posts other than stating that the Argy Navy didn't have 25 de Mayo or the Belgrano anymore, only some speculation about what could happen in a FUTURE Argy invasion scenario. Besides, no one has responded to whether that RAF Tornado squadron is still there. Or whether those small patrol vessels like HMS Leeds Castle of the RN are still there.

HMS Leeds Castle home for the last time
Published Wednesday 10th August 2005


Royal Navy patrol vessel HMS Leeds Castle returned to Portsmouth for the last time on Monday 8 August 2005 as her 24-year career came to an end.

She marked the occasion by flying a 23-metre decommissioning pennant as she entered Portsmouth Harbour and her 81 ship's company lined the decks.

Her lengthy service has been divided between fisheries protection duties around the UK coast as the Falkland Islands patrol vessel, spending three years at a time policing the southern most waters of the South Atlantic.

Since returning from her final Falklands deployment in November 2004, Leeds Castle has been busy on a variety of tasks. For four weeks from mid-May she acted as the command ship for four UK minehunters on live mine clearance work off Lithuania.

She paid her farewells to her affiliated town of Chatham in Kent before sailing to Newcastle to escort more than 100 tall ships during their 'parade of sail' to Fredreikstadt in Norway. From there she made her final return to Portsmouth. Her Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Commander Chris Goodsell, said:

"It has been an honour and a privilege to serve as the last Commanding Officer of HMS Leeds Castle through the final few months of her long and distinguished history. She has served the Royal Navy with distinction and now heads towards a well-deserved retirement."

Leeds Castle and her sister ship Dumbarton Castle are being replaced in the Falkland Island patrol role by HMS Clyde, currently being built by shipbuilders VT in Portsmouth, which is expected to enter service in 2007. Clyde's greater reliability and more modern design will allow her to remain in the South Atlantic until 2012 and be more readily available for tasking.

Though displacing little over 1,400 tonnes fully loaded, HMS Leeds Castle has spent much of her Royal Navy service in great waters thousands of miles from home.

One of a rare breed – as only two of the class exist – Leeds Castle with her sister-ship Dumbarton Castle are among a dwindling number of Falklands War veterans remaining in service with the Navy. The ships' association with the Falklands did not end with the war in 1982: for over ten years the two Castle-class vessels have taken it in turns to provide a "resident" presence in the islands, remaining on station there for three years at a time with regular rotation of their ships' companies.

The vessels, completed in the early 1980s by Hall Russell at Aberdeen, were designed as offshore patrol vessels. Specifically they roles included protection of the North Sea oil and gas installations and fishery protection, their versatility being enhanced by their most characteristic feature – a large flight deck over one-third the ship's length and capable of landing Sea King helicopters. Each of them also has temporary accommodation for up to 25 Royal Marines.

HMS Leeds Castle was launched in October 1980 by Peggy Speed, wife of the then Navy Minister. She was commission a year later, and so was a very new ship when she was deployed in the role of dispatch vessel with the Falklands Task Force. She proved to be a valuable workhorse, tirelessly transferring stores and mail to and from the larger warships and support vessels. At one point she found herself in the rescue role when her sea boat plucked the crew of a ditched Sea King from the icy waters, as well as the four-man crew of a capsized craft from the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Fort Grange which was involved in an unsuccessful effort to attach a line to the floating helicopter.

So successful were the two Castle ships during the conflict that they were later chosen to provide longer-term support for the British garrisons on the Falklands and the island of South Georgia. Leeds Castle spent three years on station from 1995, sailing into hurricane-force winds and the region's worst winter on record. In 1998 she was relieved by Dumbarton Castle and returned for a refit followed by service as a member of the Fishery Protection Squadron. In 2001 it was again her turn to provide the Falklands presence –for the last time in her case. She returned to the UK in November 2004.

HMS Leeds Castle has a complement of 45. She is equipped with surface-search and navigation radars and is armed with a 30mm BMARC gun. She is affiliated to the town of Hastings and to Leeds Castle in Kent. There has been only one other Leeds Castle in Royal Navy service – a Castle-class corvette completed in February 1944. She was employed as an escort for Atlantic convoys until September that year when she was redeployed to the Gibraltar convoy routes, finally conducting ant-submarine sweeps in the Irish Sea. After the war Leeds Castle was allocated to anti-submarine training duties in Portsmouth, and was re-designated a frigate in 1947. She continued to serve in the training role, latterly from Portland, until 1956 when she paid off and was sold for scrap.

She was one of the smallest of the Royal Navy's frigates and was in continuous service for 12 years – an unusually long time for a ship of her kind. Her sole Battle Honour – "Atlantic 1944" – was complemented by the Battle Honour "South Atlantic 1982" awarded to today's ship.

 
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