ARE SWORDS ALLOWED FOR CEREMONIAL USE BY CADETS??????

[THEARMYGUY]

Just wondering what you all think, or know about this subject.  When I was a cadet in the 80's/90's we had swords.  However we also had cadet officer ranks.  Any info about this would be most welcome.

Thanks to all.

CHEERS

THE ARMY GUY

 

[Michael Dorosh]

In the 80s, our corps also used swords (claymores, as it was a Highland unit), but I think you were right that only the "officers" carried them.

 

[Slim]

I was in Sea Cadets from '82 to 85 and we used to have a cutlass drill team using real WW1 Dutch cutlasses.

 

[Sgt_McWatt]

In my corp we use them for annual inspection. Plt WO's, Flag Party commander, CSM, RSM. However I believe that is to much. It should be flag party commander and RSM and CO. MAX definitely not all positions.Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ranger]

Well we use swords at Annual inspection as well...but only our RSM carries one, and it's good that way. Our Officers only carry them when we're doing special events. ie: RSM stand down parade at Fort York, Regimental Dinner at Fort York.

(HAve fun, try and critisize )

 

[GGHG_Cadet]

Our RSM gets one instead of a pace stick. Also at camp the CSM and WOs of A Coy (Drill and ceremonial) get swords. My RSM gets one because our old CO is crazy about them coincidently he is also the OC A coy.

 

[Excolis]

yes they are army guy...

 

[solid1191]

at my schools ( military school) we still have officer ranks at our corp. Therefore we issue a sword to every cadet officer we got. I think some other corps still do this others just give their rsms swords

 

[Art Johnson]

Claymores? I can see it now, "DRAW CLAWMORES" The officers promptly put both hands over their shoulders grasp the hilt of the Claymore and begin withdrawing the weapon all the time trying to remember which shoulder the RSM said it comes out over. I believe the weapon in question is an "Infantry Officers Basket Hilted Sword".

 

[Sgt_McWatt]

2 things.
1) Alpha didn't use any of that for grad parade this year no rifles no swords,,,, nothing.
2) Doesn't any one else's flag party commander carry a sword?

 

[Ranger]

2 things;
1) That's because Alpha sucks lol nah...it was weird becuz they were practising with them...
2) No...your Flag Party is just weird

Yay I critisized one

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Claymores? I can see it now, "DRAW CLAWMORES" The officers promptly put both hands over their shoulders grasp the hilt of the Claymore and begin withdrawing the weapon all the time trying to remember which shoulder the RSM said it comes out over. I believe the weapon in question is an "Infantry Officers Basket Hilted Sword".

Nope, the order on parade (still is in the Regiment, too) was "Officers - draw Claymores!"

The proper term for the weapon is, I believe, "Clay Beag" in Gaelic.  You are probably right about the official nomenclature, but you will never hear the CO on parade say "Officers - draw Basket Hilted Swords!"  They are called Claymores by popular convention, at least in Calgary.  And everyone knows a Claymore is either an anti-personnel mine or a large two handed sword, but that doesn't seem to deter anyone.

 

[Sgt_McWatt]

2 things;
1) That's because Alpha sucks lol nah...it was weird becuz they were practising with them...
2) No...your Flag Party is just weird

Yay I critisized one

OH NO! Its on now

and by The way I believe you criticised one not critisized one.
I WIN!
Regards

 

[Ranger]

guess what, no one's perfect, so what if I slipped up once with my spelling.
I still criticised you, and I never lose .
Peace,

 

[Franko]

For Armoured cadet corps.....

The only pers allowed to use them is the flag party guard.

Regards

 

[THEARMYGUY]

Thanks Franko.  This was the type of reply I was looking for.  Do you know if the swords are covered in the CF manual of Drill and Ceremonial??  Please let me know if anyone has any info on this.

Cheers!!!

The Army Guy

 

[big_castor]

Thanks Franko.   This was the type of reply I was looking for.   Do you know if the swords are covered in the CF manual of Drill and Ceremonial??   Please let me know if anyone has any info on this.

Cheers!!!

The Army Guy

You can find sword drill in the APD 201.   Who is allowed to carry one is coverd in the dress CATO's of Army, Sea and Air Cadets (it's easy for Air Cadets : no one !)

 

[Inch]

You can find sword drill in the APD 201.   Who is allowed to carry one is coverd in the dress CATO's of Army, Sea and Air Cadets (it's easy for Air Cadets : no one !)

For reg force Sqns, the 2 escorts (usually Sgts) carry C7s with fixed bayonets and the Colour Party Comd (Capt) carries the Sqn Colours and a sheathed sword.

*edit* That's Air Force Sqns, everyone knows Armoured regiments have Guidons


On the cadet note, when I was in Army Cadets, the colour party comd carried a sword, Cdn flag on the marching right and Corps flag on the left, 2 escorts with FNs behind the flags. Troop I/Cs and the SSM had drill canes and the RSM had a pace stick. When officer's were on parade, they all carried swords.

 

[THEARMYGUY]

Looks like you and I were cadets around the same time Inch.  Same for me when I was in.  What is ADP 201??  Thanks for all the info from everyone.  Getting what I was looking for here.

Cheers!!

The Army Guy

 

[Bergeron 971]

I read the CATOs very often. Can someone find me the link to prove the autherization of use of sabers and swords for cadets for cerimonial use?
I am responcable for teh flag party, and the drill platoon, and would love to instruct seniors in the CC how to use them on parade.
Would be nice for final review.

Thanks in advance everyone.
Cheers.

PS. forgot to mention, Army cadets. thanks