CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Kirkhill]

And yet that last sentence seems to be so difficult for many who recently come to Canada to apply to themselves here in Canada….

Canada's great problem - the Brits and the French. The natives don't count. (Or they didn't)

America is all about Americans. Canada is about Anglos and Francos. There is an exploitable fault line here that doesn't exist in America. The Francos have always been determined to re-establish their rightful place. Anybody that wasn't Brit, or better yet was anti-Brit, was welcome.

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Sorry to offend but after about 60 years of observation as an outsider of British origin it feels like a fair observation.

 

[Remius]

It was warm and cosy under the blankets. Maybe we should thank Trump for pulling the covers off.

I had a bully when I was kid. Bigger and stronger. He stopped when I punched him in the nose and he fell on his ass. The other kids he was bullying saw that as well and knew what they had to do to get him to stop.

It didn’t stop him from being the biggest and the loudest but he stopped being physical because it wasn’t worth a punch in the face for him.

I have no reason to thank that jerk. But it certainly added to my resiliency tool kit.

 

[suffolkowner]

What do you foresee that accomplishing?

Cuba north.
There little appetite to diversify trade partners. Weve been trying to do it forever. Our new Canadians dont want to trade with their old countries even

 

[Kirkhill]

I had a bully when I was kid. Bigger and stronger. He stopped when I punched him in the nose and he fell on his ass. The other kids he was bullying saw that as well and knew what they had to do to get him to stop.

It didn’t stop him from being the biggest and the loudest but he stopped being physical because it wasn’t worth a punch in the face for him.

I have no reason to thank that jerk. But it certainly added to my resiliency tool kit.

It took me a long time to learn the difference between "Don't fight! (Mum)" and "Don't start a fight! (Dad)".

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I had a bully when I was kid. Bigger and stronger. He stopped when I punched him in the nose and he fell on his ass. The other kids he was bullying saw that as well and knew what they had to do to get him to stop.

It didn’t stop him from being the biggest and the loudest but he stopped being physical because it wasn’t worth a punch in the face for him.

I have no reason to thank that jerk. But it certainly added to my resiliency tool kit.

Nice story but it won't work for Trump.

 

[suffolkowner]

It took me a long time to learn the difference between "Don't fight! (Mum)" and "Don't start a fight! (Dad)".

not dont lose?

 

[Kirkhill]

not dont lose?

I've lost too many fights to worry about those. The ones that bother me are the ones I didn't have.

 

[QV]

All of a sudden the following has become important to the East and laurentian elites again:

Tar sands (plentiful energy)
Western Canada
The CAF
Borders
Immigration control
Patriotism
Integrity in government (no CCP)

Funny that a person (Trump) derided so much by many here has forced the discussion how Canada should grow the fuck up. I wonder if Canada can right the ship? I don’t have my hopes up, based on the attitudes I see. I think we might be too far gone, where misplaced ego and an ingrained anti American sentiment will play to our demise.

The US smells blood and may not settle for half arsed attempts to untuck ourselves and it may be that it will economically wreck us until we have no choice but to seek statehood. That would be quite the achievement. First, the greatest political come back in history, and second doubling the land mass of America and making it the greatest uncontested economic and military super power of all time.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Canada's great problem - the Brits and the French. The natives don't count. (Or they didn't)

America is all about Americans. Canada is about Anglos and Francos. There is an exploitable fault line here that doesn't exist in America. The Francos have always been determined to re-establish their rightful place. Anybody that wasn't Brit, or better yet was anti-Brit, was welcome.

...

Sorry to offend but after about 60 years of observation as an outsider of British origin it feels like a fair observation.

I think your close but I think that the US had a fault line as well but those on one side to the line haven’t been given the advantages that the French in Quebec had - a true place of their own. The US fault line runs across parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into area of California, it’s the Latino fault line. It’s been there just as long as the French fault line. But they never had a Sir Guy Carlton write them laws guaranteeing them language, religion and government rights when they become part of the US.

 

[Kirkhill]

I think your close but I think that the US had a fault line as well but those on one side to the line haven’t been given the advantages that the French in Quebec had - a true place of their own. The US fault line runs across parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into area of California, it’s the Latino fault line. It’s been there just as long as the French fault line. But they never had a Sir Guy Carlton write them laws guaranteeing them language, religion and government rights when they become part of the US.

The Latino population was never empowered as a separate entity the way the Franco population was.

 

[Remius]

Nice story but it won't work for Trump.

The point of the story is we have nothing to thank him for.

 

[Remius]

All of a sudden the following has become important to the East and laurentian elites again:

Tar sands (plentiful energy)
Western Canada
The CAF
Borders
Immigration control
Patriotism
Integrity in government (no CCP)

Funny that a person (Trump) derided so much by many here has forced the discussion how Canada should grow the fuck up. I wonder if Canada can right the ship? I don’t have my hopes up, based on the attitudes I see. I think we might be too far gone, where misplaced ego and an ingrained anti American sentiment will play to our demise.

The US smells blood and may not settle for half arsed attempts to untuck ourselves and it may be that it will economically wreck us until we have no choice but to seek statehood. That would be quite the achievement. First, the greatest political come back in history, and second doubling the land mass of America and making it the greatest uncontested economic and military super power of all time.

Your fantasy porn isn’t happening. There is no appetite to become American except for disciples of the orange messiah that can’t put their own country first. I’d be happy to expedite their migration out.

 

[Good2Golf]

Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.

 

[Remius]

Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.

no argument there

 

[Czech_pivo]

The Latino population was never empowered as a separate entity the way the Franco population was.

Correct - that is why I said they never had a Sir Guy Carlton but there is still fault line in the US, not national but a regional one in the areas that I mentioned.
There are more Latino speakers in the US than the entire population of Canada and that trend will continue. Sooner or later it will reach a tipping point….

 

[QV]

Your fantasy porn isn’t happening. There is no appetite to become American except for disciples of the orange messiah that can’t put their own country first. I’d be happy to expedite their migration out.

Frankly it’s people with attitudes like yours that have lead us to this point. Your ignorance is on display. The premise of the things I listed should be important, valued, and protected all the time… not as tools of convenience.

 

[Remius]

Frankly it’s people with attitudes like yours that have lead us to this point. Your ignorance is on display. The premise of the things I listed should be important, valued, and protected all the time… not as tools of convenience.

No dummy. The part about being annexed. The part you hope happens. Probably because actually migrating would be too hard for you.

Your disloyalty is on display.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Now he's even got the ketchup guys mad at him

Kraft Heinz hits back at what it called Trudeau's 'misleading' comment about its Canadian ketchup​

Food giant says it is proud that its ketchup is 'made in Canada, by Canadians, using Canadian tomatoes'​

A ketchup giant is seeing red after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up its past exit from Canada while discussing a potential Canada-U.S. trade war.

Speaking with reporters after a Wednesday meeting with the premiers, Trudeau urged consumers to seek out Canadian-made products to avoid U.S. imports that could soon be more costly because of retaliatory tariffs.

"That's why we will look, as we have in the past, at things that have replacements for Canadian consumers that wouldn't be tariffed," Trudeau said. "The example from last time was Heinz's ketchup being replaced by French's ketchup because French's was still using Canadian tomatoes in its ketchup."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kraft-heinz-ketchup-trudeau-1.7440214

 

[Furniture]

Now he's even got the ketchup guys mad at him

Kraft Heinz hits back at what it called Trudeau's 'misleading' comment about its Canadian ketchup​

Food giant says it is proud that its ketchup is 'made in Canada, by Canadians, using Canadian tomatoes'​

A ketchup giant is seeing red after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up its past exit from Canada while discussing a potential Canada-U.S. trade war.

Speaking with reporters after a Wednesday meeting with the premiers, Trudeau urged consumers to seek out Canadian-made products to avoid U.S. imports that could soon be more costly because of retaliatory tariffs.

"That's why we will look, as we have in the past, at things that have replacements for Canadian consumers that wouldn't be tariffed," Trudeau said. "The example from last time was Heinz's ketchup being replaced by French's ketchup because French's was still using Canadian tomatoes in its ketchup."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kraft-heinz-ketchup-trudeau-1.7440214

They did at one time shut down their Canadian operations, which is why French's makes the "made from Canadian mustard/tomatoes" prominent on their labels.

Fuck Heinz, they backed out until their competitor made them look silly. I still buy French's mustard and ketchup.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet) bought Heinz Canada(Leamington) in 2013. Shut it down in 2014. It reopened some months later under Highbury Canco and resumed production. They produce 200+ Heinz products based on an agreement renegotiated every 5 years.

Both trudeau and Heinz are telling truth without telling the truth.